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		<title>By: Recent Links Tagged With "ext4" - JabberTags</title>
		<link>http://www.netsplit.com/2008/08/18/concept-distro/comment-page-1/#comment-1144</link>
		<dc:creator>Recent Links Tagged With "ext4" - JabberTags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] public links &gt;&gt; ext4   Fedora 9 Sulphur Released Saved by monicaandre on Thu 01-1-2009   Scott James Remnant: Concept Distro Saved by LaLabam123 on Thu 25-12-2008   ext4로 이주하기 Saved by mrflos on Fri 19-12-2008   [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Life update and new blog &#171; Ogra&#8217;s blog</title>
		<link>http://www.netsplit.com/2008/08/18/concept-distro/comment-page-1/#comment-1039</link>
		<dc:creator>Life update and new blog &#171; Ogra&#8217;s blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ubuntu mobile desktop &#8230; scotts post about Concept Distro somewhat fits with the (currently still exerimental) ubuntu-mobile desktop package &#8230;. a fully [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Scott Ritchie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Ritchie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea, and would further add the stipulation that a concept distro would be designed explicitly as a VM image or at least for a very small subset of hardware.  There&#039;s no point dealing with the many hardware differences in such an idealized system.</description>
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		<title>By: A &#34;Concept Distro&#34; &#171; A Conservative Techie</title>
		<link>http://www.netsplit.com/2008/08/18/concept-distro/comment-page-1/#comment-1029</link>
		<dc:creator>A &#34;Concept Distro&#34; &#171; A Conservative Techie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 01:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &quot;Concept&#160;Distro&quot; The other day Scott Remnant posted the idea of a concept distro and I think it is a pretty cool [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wolfger</title>
		<link>http://www.netsplit.com/2008/08/18/concept-distro/comment-page-1/#comment-1028</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolfger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awful idea, I think. Concept cars exist to show off the cool things the car companies could do if money/profitability were no object. They make one prototype, and never put it into production. Well software isn&#039;t like that at all. If you put together a concept distro, mass producing that distro costs you nothing but bandwidth. So why wouldn&#039;t you produce it and maintain it? That just ridiculous.

For all that, I have to say I think BJH is right... Sabayon is as close to a &quot;concept distro&quot; as you&#039;ll find. Of course, it&#039;s produced and maintained as I said such a thing would be. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awful idea, I think. Concept cars exist to show off the cool things the car companies could do if money/profitability were no object. They make one prototype, and never put it into production. Well software isn&#8217;t like that at all. If you put together a concept distro, mass producing that distro costs you nothing but bandwidth. So why wouldn&#8217;t you produce it and maintain it? That just ridiculous.</p>
<p>For all that, I have to say I think BJH is right&#8230; Sabayon is as close to a &#8220;concept distro&#8221; as you&#8217;ll find. Of course, it&#8217;s produced and maintained as I said such a thing would be. <img src='http://www.netsplit.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: BJH</title>
		<link>http://www.netsplit.com/2008/08/18/concept-distro/comment-page-1/#comment-1023</link>
		<dc:creator>BJH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t Sabayon an example (twisted you can say) of a &quot;concept&quot; distro? It combines the best FOSS technologies.</description>
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		<title>By: troy_s</title>
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		<dc:creator>troy_s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember reading one theorist&#039;s opinion that the root of our intelligence rests at the feet of our ability to draw analogies.

This analogy is bloody brilliant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember reading one theorist&#8217;s opinion that the root of our intelligence rests at the feet of our ability to draw analogies.</p>
<p>This analogy is bloody brilliant.</p>
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		<title>By: v1ncent</title>
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		<dc:creator>v1ncent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, the LSB is fundamental on all this.</description>
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		<title>By: v1ncent</title>
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		<dc:creator>v1ncent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many things to think about, that&#039;s evident, but the intransigence of a lot of hardcore Linux users, make this effort useless.
Unfortunately there is a lot of ignorance too, that makes all vary difficult... but i would not talk about that, because it doesn&#039;t worth it.

I&#039;ve been thinking for a long time about alternatives or projects that would give a &#039;well defined shape&#039; to Linux distros. First, one need to understand the importance of diversity and how everything works in the Linux world...
I came whit some conclusions:
If one want to see Linux grown, one needs to see that every OS needs a well defined concept, so there could be a standard on installing applications (of course rpm doesn&#039;t apply), and yet it wouldn&#039;t mean the ABOLITION OF DIVERSITY... If i or Y distro wants to use this or that other installation method, then linux makes it possible in an easy way, but no matter what, there will ever be this standard installation method that makes everything easier.
Let&#039;s understand something: if people like me are so interested in a GOOD standard installer, is NOT BECAUSE WE ARE WINDOWS FANBOYS, but because we understand that having solid standards will preserve linux diversity and yet make it _ATTRACTIVE_ to ISV and users of all kinds.

Observing on the differents apps installation (or distribution) methods, i realize that the best way to do it are application bundles (yes, like OS X .app), the concept is simple, but it could be improved... The basic anatomy of these app bundles would be the same of apps directories (like in GoboLinux: /Programs/MyApp/3.0/bin), the more obvious difference is that apps bundles are only ONE FILE.
Of course, one could integrate this bundles to the system, so they can use shared libs an so.

GoboLinux filesystem hierarchy could not like to everyone, and thats OK, we only have to look to the &quot;/Programs&quot; anatomy, it&#039;s not any like Windows or even OS X i think, it&#039;s TRANSPARENT, FLEXIBLE AND EASY, yet secure and advanced.

If there would be a &#039;Concept Distro&#039; i would delete the &#039;../bin&#039; (and such) dirs floating among the whole FSH; i mean, i understand the function of /bin /sbin /usr/bin or /usr/sbin, but non-server distros needs anything more?
Talking about modern desktop distros, there is really needed dirs like /usr/local/bin?
Seriously, if there is an important reason, i will shut my mouth.

In short: my vision is having standards, communication and collaboration between distros, in order to not be &#039;owned&#039; by diversity, but yet supporting all kind of diversity.
- Promote the &quot;/Programs&quot; concept.
- The extension of XDG Base Directory Specification.
- The implementation of application bundles as a standard (in Users Application distribution).
- The creation of a &#039;Graphic Framework&#039; integrated by the greatest 2D and 3D solutions, like Cairo, in order to make them WORK TOGETHER and bring to light something very solid and in constant evolution, that would make developers happy.
- Better Graphic Toolkits, like GTK and QT (the previous point have  A LOT of influence in this).
- Promote the use of ~/.Settings and ~/Library dirs to separate the actual DOT FILES in those that are only configuration files and those that are apps data (maybe one want to delete all his config files without delete other apps data... ~/.mozilla will be ~/Library/mozilla and ~/.vmware will be in ~/.Settings/vmware)... Otherwise use just ~/Library by replacing the old &#039;dot files&#039; (whit some exceptions, like ~/.Trash)... And try to make developers follow that specification.

Sorry for my long comment and thank you for reading... I hope hope some people share my vision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many things to think about, that&#8217;s evident, but the intransigence of a lot of hardcore Linux users, make this effort useless.<br />
Unfortunately there is a lot of ignorance too, that makes all vary difficult&#8230; but i would not talk about that, because it doesn&#8217;t worth it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking for a long time about alternatives or projects that would give a &#8216;well defined shape&#8217; to Linux distros. First, one need to understand the importance of diversity and how everything works in the Linux world&#8230;<br />
I came whit some conclusions:<br />
If one want to see Linux grown, one needs to see that every OS needs a well defined concept, so there could be a standard on installing applications (of course rpm doesn&#8217;t apply), and yet it wouldn&#8217;t mean the ABOLITION OF DIVERSITY&#8230; If i or Y distro wants to use this or that other installation method, then linux makes it possible in an easy way, but no matter what, there will ever be this standard installation method that makes everything easier.<br />
Let&#8217;s understand something: if people like me are so interested in a GOOD standard installer, is NOT BECAUSE WE ARE WINDOWS FANBOYS, but because we understand that having solid standards will preserve linux diversity and yet make it _ATTRACTIVE_ to ISV and users of all kinds.</p>
<p>Observing on the differents apps installation (or distribution) methods, i realize that the best way to do it are application bundles (yes, like OS X .app), the concept is simple, but it could be improved&#8230; The basic anatomy of these app bundles would be the same of apps directories (like in GoboLinux: /Programs/MyApp/3.0/bin), the more obvious difference is that apps bundles are only ONE FILE.<br />
Of course, one could integrate this bundles to the system, so they can use shared libs an so.</p>
<p>GoboLinux filesystem hierarchy could not like to everyone, and thats OK, we only have to look to the &#8220;/Programs&#8221; anatomy, it&#8217;s not any like Windows or even OS X i think, it&#8217;s TRANSPARENT, FLEXIBLE AND EASY, yet secure and advanced.</p>
<p>If there would be a &#8216;Concept Distro&#8217; i would delete the &#8216;../bin&#8217; (and such) dirs floating among the whole FSH; i mean, i understand the function of /bin /sbin /usr/bin or /usr/sbin, but non-server distros needs anything more?<br />
Talking about modern desktop distros, there is really needed dirs like /usr/local/bin?<br />
Seriously, if there is an important reason, i will shut my mouth.</p>
<p>In short: my vision is having standards, communication and collaboration between distros, in order to not be &#8216;owned&#8217; by diversity, but yet supporting all kind of diversity.<br />
- Promote the &#8220;/Programs&#8221; concept.<br />
- The extension of XDG Base Directory Specification.<br />
- The implementation of application bundles as a standard (in Users Application distribution).<br />
- The creation of a &#8216;Graphic Framework&#8217; integrated by the greatest 2D and 3D solutions, like Cairo, in order to make them WORK TOGETHER and bring to light something very solid and in constant evolution, that would make developers happy.<br />
- Better Graphic Toolkits, like GTK and QT (the previous point have  A LOT of influence in this).<br />
- Promote the use of ~/.Settings and ~/Library dirs to separate the actual DOT FILES in those that are only configuration files and those that are apps data (maybe one want to delete all his config files without delete other apps data&#8230; ~/.mozilla will be ~/Library/mozilla and ~/.vmware will be in ~/.Settings/vmware)&#8230; Otherwise use just ~/Library by replacing the old &#8216;dot files&#8217; (whit some exceptions, like ~/.Trash)&#8230; And try to make developers follow that specification.</p>
<p>Sorry for my long comment and thank you for reading&#8230; I hope hope some people share my vision.</p>
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		<title>By: cr</title>
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		<dc:creator>cr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, Paludis has been pulling my upgrades from git/bzr for a couple years now..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, Paludis has been pulling my upgrades from git/bzr for a couple years now..</p>
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