Comments on: Web 2.0 Service Pack 1 http://www.netsplit.com/2007/12/11/web-20-service-pack-1/ Just another WordPress weblog Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:30:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: LGB http://www.netsplit.com/2007/12/11/web-20-service-pack-1/#comment-659 LGB Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:07:27 +0000 http://www.netsplit.com/2007/12/11/web-20-service-pack-1/#comment-659 Because Internet is free. There is no "central" main database of people (well at least it's not public if there is ....) which can be used by other services, it would be even serious to have one. The price of freedom is the lack of control and vice versa. However it would be good to have OPTIONAL possibility to fetch information via xml-rpc, soap or something similar from other site if you'd like to do: there's such an aggregation functionalities, like mugshot and others (limited scope, however). Because Internet is free. There is no “central” main database of people (well at least it’s not public if there is ….) which can be used by other services, it would be even serious to have one. The price of freedom is the lack of control and vice versa. However it would be good to have OPTIONAL possibility to fetch information via xml-rpc, soap or something similar from other site if you’d like to do: there’s such an aggregation functionalities, like mugshot and others (limited scope, however).

]]> By: Meneer R http://www.netsplit.com/2007/12/11/web-20-service-pack-1/#comment-598 Meneer R Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:15:15 +0000 http://www.netsplit.com/2007/12/11/web-20-service-pack-1/#comment-598 It's called control. The solution is called free software. Wait, free server-side software. Hence, the agpl. I don't want the decision to be able to export or import or connect services to come down to some company's corporate interest.. It’s called control.

The solution is called free software. Wait, free server-side software.
Hence, the agpl.

I don’t want the decision to be able to export or import or connect services to come down to some company’s corporate interest..

]]> By: Murray Cumming http://www.netsplit.com/2007/12/11/web-20-service-pack-1/#comment-597 Murray Cumming Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:28:59 +0000 http://www.netsplit.com/2007/12/11/web-20-service-pack-1/#comment-597 Because Microsoft showed that a monopoly will be allowed by our governments if you can achieve it, and 95% of tech business people want to earn billions like Microsoft (so most will earn nothing) instead of settling for earning millions by making customers happy. Because Microsoft showed that a monopoly will be allowed by our governments if you can achieve it, and 95% of tech business people want to earn billions like Microsoft (so most will earn nothing) instead of settling for earning millions by making customers happy.

]]> By: Warbo http://www.netsplit.com/2007/12/11/web-20-service-pack-1/#comment-595 Warbo Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:45:03 +0000 http://www.netsplit.com/2007/12/11/web-20-service-pack-1/#comment-595 One reason: Those locked-down services are run by businesses. Facebook can handle images, so they don't want to make it easy for their users to use the rival Flickr service (and vice versa). Twitter could be seen as a rival to Facebook's "wall" things, and thus is in the same situation. Last.fm? Well, why should Facebook restrict their future growth in the music area by giving that up to last.fm? You may as well ask why MSN messenger won't share buddies with Yahoo messenger: They're proprietary (the code is closed of to its users). (Hence why I don't use them. Well, I use last.fm's recommendations within my media players, but I don't visit their bloated website-trying-to-be-an-application-which-doesn't-belong-in-a-browser thing) One reason: Those locked-down services are run by businesses. Facebook can handle images, so they don’t want to make it easy for their users to use the rival Flickr service (and vice versa). Twitter could be seen as a rival to Facebook’s “wall” things, and thus is in the same situation. Last.fm? Well, why should Facebook restrict their future growth in the music area by giving that up to last.fm?

You may as well ask why MSN messenger won’t share buddies with Yahoo messenger: They’re proprietary (the code is closed of to its users). (Hence why I don’t use them. Well, I use last.fm’s recommendations within my media players, but I don’t visit their bloated website-trying-to-be-an-application-which-doesn’t-belong-in-a-browser thing)

]]> By: Weeber http://www.netsplit.com/2007/12/11/web-20-service-pack-1/#comment-594 Weeber Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:40:46 +0000 http://www.netsplit.com/2007/12/11/web-20-service-pack-1/#comment-594 Of course you're making a good point but centralizing in Facebook isn't the solution. Facebook just isn't open enough and not everybody use (or want to use) facebook. A OpenID account is a better way to approach part of this issue. Of course you’re making a good point but centralizing in Facebook isn’t the solution. Facebook just isn’t open enough and not everybody use (or want to use) facebook. A OpenID account is a better way to approach part of this issue.

]]> By: Götz http://www.netsplit.com/2007/12/11/web-20-service-pack-1/#comment-593 Götz Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:27:51 +0000 http://www.netsplit.com/2007/12/11/web-20-service-pack-1/#comment-593 Only privacy-hating jerks would register to so many so-called social networks. But go ahead, give Facebook your sensitive information. Only privacy-hating jerks would register to so many so-called social networks. But go ahead, give Facebook your sensitive information.

]]> By: Nicholas Telford http://www.netsplit.com/2007/12/11/web-20-service-pack-1/#comment-592 Nicholas Telford Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:02:33 +0000 http://www.netsplit.com/2007/12/11/web-20-service-pack-1/#comment-592 On related note, why do I need to tell the NHS, DVLA, Inland Revenue, all my details? Why can't they centralise them all? Short answer: the privacy advocates won't let them. It's the same in any country. I doubt any centralised information system for identity will ever exist. OpenID is a good attempt at kick-starting it, but if it ever takes off, it'll hit a massive privacy wall from people too paranoid to embrace technology for what it is: a valuable tool, as opposed to the instrument of our destruction. That said, they might well have a point. In any centralised system someone is in control of all that data. Who would it be? How could it be guaranteed that our information never falls in to the wrong hands, either illegally or via a legitimate business deal. Regardless of the security of such systems, there will always be doubt enough to completely undermine them. On related note, why do I need to tell the NHS, DVLA, Inland Revenue, all my details? Why can’t they centralise them all? Short answer: the privacy advocates won’t let them. It’s the same in any country.

I doubt any centralised information system for identity will ever exist. OpenID is a good attempt at kick-starting it, but if it ever takes off, it’ll hit a massive privacy wall from people too paranoid to embrace technology for what it is: a valuable tool, as opposed to the instrument of our destruction.

That said, they might well have a point. In any centralised system someone is in control of all that data. Who would it be? How could it be guaranteed that our information never falls in to the wrong hands, either illegally or via a legitimate business deal. Regardless of the security of such systems, there will always be doubt enough to completely undermine them.

]]> By: Marko http://www.netsplit.com/2007/12/11/web-20-service-pack-1/#comment-591 Marko Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:43:28 +0000 http://www.netsplit.com/2007/12/11/web-20-service-pack-1/#comment-591 One solution whic has recently gained some adoption is XFN [1], which is based on microformats [2]. For instance, your twitter page lists your contacts' information encoded in vCards... [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XHTML_Friends_Network [2] http://microformats.org/ One solution whic has recently gained some adoption is XFN [1], which is based on microformats [2]. For instance, your twitter page lists your contacts’ information encoded in vCards…

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XHTML_Friends_Network
[2] http://microformats.org/

]]> By: Steve http://www.netsplit.com/2007/12/11/web-20-service-pack-1/#comment-590 Steve Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:38:16 +0000 http://www.netsplit.com/2007/12/11/web-20-service-pack-1/#comment-590 I don't think OpenID is really about identity. It's more about authorisation as far as I understand. The sort of details you want to be available to all sites seem to be better covered by something like FOAF, but I don't know of many sites that will read a FOAF file in that way. The thing I like about FOAF is that I can decide what information I want to share, but it does have the issue of not being able to limit access to certain people or services. I don’t think OpenID is really about identity. It’s more about authorisation as far as I understand. The sort of details you want to be available to all sites seem to be better covered by something like FOAF, but I don’t know of many sites that will read a FOAF file in that way. The thing I like about FOAF is that I can decide what information I want to share, but it does have the issue of not being able to limit access to certain people or services.

]]> By: Tassos Bassoukos http://www.netsplit.com/2007/12/11/web-20-service-pack-1/#comment-589 Tassos Bassoukos Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:32:18 +0000 http://www.netsplit.com/2007/12/11/web-20-service-pack-1/#comment-589 There's OpenSocial, which is spear-headed by Google and has everybody *but* Facebook behind them, and is suppsed to do exactly that. There’s OpenSocial, which is spear-headed by Google and has everybody *but* Facebook behind them, and is suppsed to do exactly that.

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